Sulle Trattative di Pace in Afghanistan
Pubblicato il 22-03-2007 da SergioForse sono io che non capisco.
Forse sono io che non so come funziona la politica. Forse sono io che non ho tutte le informazioni per valutare correttamente i fatti.
Comunque non riesco a capire le reazioni di sdegno alla proposta di Massimo Dalema di invitare al tavolo della pace anche i Talebani.
Per quello che ho capito di guerra di accordi di pace esistono due tipi di negoziati di pace.
Il primo tipo è quello che si svolge durante un conflitto. Durante queste trattative i contendenti, cercano di trovare una soluzione politica che possa far tacere le armi. Il secondo tipo è quello che si svolge dopo la resa incondizionata del nemico o in procinto della stessa. A questo tipo di tavolo ci partecipa l’alleanza vincitrice e decide come ripartirsi le conquiste e come andare avanti.
Per intenderci il primo tipo di tavolo della pace è quello che ha portato agli accordi di Oslo mentre il secondo tipo è la conferenza di Potsdam avvenuta in seguito alla resa incondizionata della Germania.
In quale dei due casi ci si trova attualmente in Afghanistan?
Tiriamo le fila del discorso facendoci aiutare da Wikipedia
2001 In seguito agli attacchi dell’11 Settembre gli Stati Uniti invadono l’Afghanistan per eliminare le basi di Al-Queda e rovesciare il governo Talebano.
L’operazione ha successo: vengono liberate oltre alla capitale le principali città, il governo Talebano viene ribaltato e le roccaforti di Al-Queda distrutte.
2002 I Talebani si riorganizzano e cominciano una intensa guerriglia una delle loro basi principali è nelle montagli di Shahi-Kot. Viene organizzata l’operazione Anaconda per liberare queste montagne. L’operazione ha successo.
2003-2005 La resistenza Talebana si riorganizza e adottando nuove tattiche di guerriglia riesce ad ottenere alcuni successi insediandosi nelle regioni montane nel sud del paese.
2006 La NATO interviene nel sud del paese rialzando l’intensità del conflitto. Pur vincendo tatticamente sul campo non riesce a sradicare la guerriglia.
2007 La guerra continua: nonostante gli anni passati e le vittorie ottenute della “coalizione” la guerriglia spadroneggia ancora nel sud del paese
Per come la posso capire io la situazione attuale è ancora lontana dalla resa incondizionata del nemico. Trattative di pace a questo punto non avrebbero gran valore, a mio parere, dato che qualunque decisione venisse presa potrebbe essere ostacolata o ribaltata dalla guerriglia.
Al contrario penso che potrebbe essere un’occasione per ascoltare le istanze del “Nemico” e vedere se è possibile arrivare ad un accordo comune di pace.
Mi scuso se non cado nella retorica dei “buoni” e dei “cattivi”, delle “forze del bene” contro il “male assoluto”, di “GI-Joe” contro “Cobra“.
Io vedo un conflitto aperto, non so se di la c’è una parte pronta a trattare ma, mi sembra che anche questa parte non è proprio pronta a cominciare il dialogo.
La guerra può anche continuare: dura già da 5 anni e può tranquillamente proseguire. Oppure si può vedere se si riesce a trovare il modo di arrivare al “cessate il fuoco” tramite un soddisfacente compromesso. Per far questo bisogna purtroppo trattare con il nemico.
Non si può fare la pace da soli no?



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Gianmario ha commentato:
Infatti tutta quella scena di sdegno sulla “proposta” del ministro degli esteri e’ ridicola e strumentale. Anche perche’ in generale prlare di Talebani al tavolo di pace significa parlare di Pashtun al tavolo di pace. E poi non e’ che i “signori della guerra” non Talebani siano poi cosi’ innocenti.
Trattare non significa cedere anzi sarebbe il modo per allontanare alcune parti dell popolazione dalle frange talebane piu’ estremiste.
Serpentina di Schietti ha commentato:
Il giro di affari dei nemici dell’umanità è in Italia almeno doppio del PIL.
Se proviamo a riflettere sulla situazione nel mondo è ancora peggio. Il commercio dell’eroina per esempio vale il 5% del fatturato mondiale, più di 500 miliardi di dollari all’anno. Il 90% dell’eroina proviene dall’Afghanistan.
Nel 2001 i Talebani smisero di coltivare oppio, il mercato dell’eroina crollò di colpo, e nel giro di pochi mesi venne organizzata la messinscena delle torri gemelle e l’invasione dell’Afghanistan. Ora la produzione di oppio è tornata al massimo.
Il petrolio finisce perchè i pozzi si esauriscono, invece le produzioni di oppio proseguono da migliaia di anni e non finiranno mai. E c’è guerra anche in Colombia per la cocaina. Le droghe pesanti sono il più grosso business del mondo da migliaia di anni.
Allora come fare?
INFORMATI SULLE DINAMICHE NONVIOLENTE SCHIETTISTE
INFORMATI SUI METODI DI LAVORO DEI NEMICI DELL’UMANITA’
INFORMATI SUI FESTINI SADOMASO LA SERA DOPO GLI SCONTRI DI PIAZZA E GLI ATTENTATI
INFORMATI SUI FONDI CARCATERRA - BPM - BANCA ETICA
E poi rifletti a lungo…
Anna ha commentato:
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What does it mean?
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Who really have aggression against muslims countries and against Irag and Hussein? And what is the real reason of that? Who and what was lied in such way for starting a war in Afganistan and Iraq.
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